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Post by franticllama on Aug 2, 2024 8:52:56 GMT
Well you and I will have to disagree there barb - it may well be that Khelif, like Castor Semenya, has been brought up as a female and identifies as female because she has a DSD which gives her a female phenotype. But the fact is that biologically she is male, as is Castor Semenya (who has fathered children) and has the extra punching power given to her by that. This is not safe or fair to biologically female competitors. Oddly, given that Australia is generally speaking in favour of trans rights, there was a sensible article in the Courier and Mail about it.Sorry Jenny, I'm with Barb on this one. Khelif is female. She has raised testosterone levels but that is natural. If people claim that raised testosterone makes you male, then anyone with PCOS would be male under that definition. If people are not allowed to compete based on their naturally occuring advantages, then what's the point of competative sport? Should we have banned Michael Phelps because his arms are weirdly long and therefore he has an unfair advantage over his competitiors? I also find it quite interesting that the people targetted by the anti-trans lobby are predominantly people of colour. Finally, before I get off my soap box, any suggestion that Khelif is trans/male, may actively endanger her life. Algeria is not known for it's liberal views on any LGBT issues and being trans is punishable by death in the country.
Oh, and finally finally. There is a trans athlete competing at the games. He's a transman competing in boxing. His name is Hergie Bacyadan.
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Post by barbados on Aug 2, 2024 9:27:40 GMT
I think the big “tell” in this debate is where was the debate when, in the Olympics, she was defeated by Kellie Harrington?
Where was the debate when in the olympics, she beat Mariem Homrani?
What is needed in sport is consistency.
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Post by eeyoresmum on Aug 2, 2024 15:11:03 GMT
At the 2020 Olympics, she lost in the quarter finals to Kellie Harrington.
In 2022, she came in 2nd at the Women's World Boxing Championships, losing to Amy Broadhurst.
She won gold in the 2022 African Boxing Championships, Mediterranean Games, and 2023 Arab Games.
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Post by jenny on Aug 2, 2024 17:26:13 GMT
I do have sources I could offer but I'm stepping out of this discussion as I'd like it to focus on the Olympic games rather than this one aspect of it, and I don't want it to get technical about that. |
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Post by eeyoresmum on Aug 2, 2024 17:54:59 GMT
I'd love to see ye oldfashioned Longbow feature in archery. All these newfangled attachments take away from its charm.
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Post by efros on Aug 2, 2024 20:55:44 GMT
While not a longbow I watched this crossbow build earlier today.
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Post by amanda on Aug 3, 2024 1:51:23 GMT
Video unavailable to me, message reads 'playback on other websites has been disabled by the video owner. Watch on Youtube'.
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Post by eeyoresmum on Aug 3, 2024 2:05:42 GMT
Indeed, so you click on that link and watch it on YT. ;-)
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Post by efros on Aug 3, 2024 11:23:38 GMT
Those type of videos I find very relaxing. Anyway more on topic is this medal table I saw this morning.  |
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Post by celebaelin on Aug 3, 2024 11:47:28 GMT
Currently it's China, France, Australia, GB, USA, South Korea, Japan - Team GB has 10 golds to China's 13, 10 silvers to China's 9 and both have 9 bronzes. Across places 1 to 7 it's quite tight; Italy, in 8th position, have 5 golds compared with Japan's 8.
Once the games are finished I shall do what I did last time and total the medals of all nations with the union flag as part of their national flag (and, as before allow Canada to participate as well). The tally will be impressive relative to total population and easily exceed that of any of the individual competing nations with a substantial amount of the work being done by Australia in truth but GB not far behind. Australia are also taking gold in a high proportion of the events they medal in.
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Post by efros on Aug 3, 2024 14:07:00 GMT
The table has an additional column Cel.
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Post by celebaelin on Aug 3, 2024 14:28:41 GMT
The ring thing?
I did notice and indeed puzzled over its meaning for while but came up empty.
Hang on; I think I've got it - it's world records. Although now the athletics has started that's changed - either that or someone of significance to the Chinese just got engaged.
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Post by tetsabb on Aug 3, 2024 14:47:31 GMT
I understand tgat, in contrast to the rest of the world, the US media rank by total number of medals, thus putting them top. Everyone else goes bu golds first
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Post by efros on Aug 3, 2024 15:44:28 GMT
Chinese athlete proposed to another Chinese athlete on camera just after a medal ceremony I think.
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Post by suze on Aug 4, 2024 22:27:57 GMT
What with being on holiday, I've not seen all that much of the Olympics.
I actively wanted to watch the men's 100 meters final this evening and made sure that I did, and after that RTVE wanted to show me women's (non-beach) volleyball between Brazil and Poland. Volleyball isn't a sport in which I have any particular interest, and since it wasn't the beach sort, neither TGH nor SSIL (step-son-in-law) were that bothered either. So I only watched it for a few minutes, but it was long enough for me to notice that Poland's coach - Wikipedia suggests that he is an Italian, and that fits with his accent - speaks to his team in English. There is no interpreter, so a decent level of English must be a pre-requisite to be on the team.
Imagine how professional footballists in England would react if they needed to be able to speak Foreign to represent their country!
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Post by amanda on Aug 4, 2024 23:23:22 GMT
I've noticed that more Europeans from many countries speak some level of English, better than my German or French. I'd make an attempt for some other languages with a phrase book if I ever travelled there.
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Post by tetsabb on Aug 5, 2024 9:07:13 GMT
Imagine how professional footballists in England would react if they needed to be able to speak Foreign to represent their country!
Let's be honest, there are a few for whom stringing a sentence together in English can be a struggle.
Kudos to Sir Andy Murray for his sign-off Tweet -- "Never even liked tennis anyway"
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Post by tetsabb on Aug 5, 2024 9:19:30 GMT
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Post by barbados on Aug 5, 2024 12:06:41 GMT
And now Simone Biles didn’t win a discipline she had entered.
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Post by tetsabb on Aug 8, 2024 9:02:28 GMT
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Post by tetsabb on Aug 8, 2024 9:12:36 GMT
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Post by pdr on Aug 9, 2024 20:54:45 GMT
Just happened to see the medal ceremonies for the 4 x 100 relays (mens and peoples of gender) and I was surprised to see that in the ladies event the german team (bronze) had five members, the british team (silver) has six members while the colonies (gold) only had four. Similarly ijn the gents event there were some on the podium with four members while others had more. Surely they only have four of they'd call it the "n x 400 relay"?
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Post by celebaelin on Aug 9, 2024 21:33:27 GMT
My understanding is that members of the team for qualifying rounds also get a medal if the team in the final earns one.
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Post by suze on Aug 9, 2024 22:25:29 GMT
Yes they do. In Olympic track and field, you are allowed to name six athletes in a relay squad. I think it's seven in swimming relays - and in both cases, heat competitors get medals if their country earns them. It used to be that you had to use the same four athletes throughout a relay competition, but the US led a campaign to get the changed, and it was changed in 1988.
I'm not sure whether it's still the case, but in the team sports it used to be that you only got a medal if you were actually on the pitch at some point during the competition. That's why the team that was winning in - for instance - the football final would sometimes bring the bench goalkeeper on for the last three minutes of the match.
Today we had the first Olympic breakdancing competition. I struggle to consider that a "real sport", and it's yet another event that relies on made up numbers to decide the winner. We also had the climbing wall - a gold for Britain - which I actually quite like. I'm not convinced that it's a "real sport" either, but at least there are no made up numbers.
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Post by amanda on Aug 9, 2024 22:54:24 GMT
I saw some of the climbing wall the other night and it reminds me of rock climbing here - we have indoor places set up like those walls with plastic things to put your extremities.
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Post by suze on Aug 10, 2024 0:10:40 GMT
BTW, I've just seen the women's breakdancing final again. The contestants are not told in advance what the music will be, and I didn't actually clock what it was the first time around. But if I'd made a list of one hundred pieces of dance music that they might perhaps use, I probably wouldn't have included A horse with no name!
You can see that final here (probably UK only). Maybe I'm biased, but the ethnic Pole from Lithuania wuz robbed!
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Post by pdr on Aug 10, 2024 10:06:07 GMT
Meanwhile it seems that someone has discovered that Toby Roberts (who took a spectacular gold in the men's boulder & lead climbing) lives in Elstead, and as Elstead is only just over five miles from Farnham we have decided that it's part of Farnham, so he's a local hero...
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Post by jenny on Aug 11, 2024 15:56:36 GMT
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Post by barbados on Aug 11, 2024 16:41:52 GMT
And yet, there has been no comment on the transgender boxer at the Olympics?
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Post by pdr on Aug 11, 2024 18:49:33 GMT
I understand tgat, in contrast to the rest of the world, the US media rank by total number of medals, thus putting them top. Everyone else goes bu golds first I have been giving this approach much thought, an on mature reflection I feel the Americans are right and this is actually the correct way to score the overall rankings. In other news - congratulations to the British team on their overall third place in the 2024 Olympics... PDR |
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